Catholic New World staff writer Michelle Martin talks with Charles Zech.
Charles Zech, an economics professor at Villanova University, jokes that he has spent 51 straight years in Catholic education. So it should come as no surprise that Zech has devoted much of his time to studying church giving patterns, especially those of Protestant and Catholic congregations. Zech, who authored Why Catholics Dont Give
And What Can Be Done About It will bring his message to Chicago at the Oct. 5-8 conference of International Catholic Stewardship Council with a talk entitled, Seven things that the Catholic Church can do to increase giving. His list includes:
- Build community
- Give parishioners an input into parish decision-making
- Teach stewardship
- Minimize your use of volunteers
- Implement pledging
- Give special attention to the young and wealthy
- Remind parishioners that contributing through estate planning is good stewardship.
The Catholic New World: How did you start studying religious giving patterns?
Charles Zech: I used to study urban economic problemshousing, employment things of that nature. One dayI think it was the Holy Spirit I said to myself I wonder if theres been anything done on the economic aspect of churches. Then I said, I wonder where that came from. When I checked, I found that nothing had been done, nothing of quality, so I said theres a real niche for me to make a contribution to the church. That was in 1991.
TCNW: How consistent are patterns of religious giving?
CZ: The one consistent factor, year after year after year, is that Catholics give at half the rate of Protestants. The typical Protestant household gives 2 percent of its annual income to the church and the typical Catholic household gives about 1 percent. Thats the average. Some Protestant congregations are much higher, at 8 or 9 percent, but more are around 2 percent or a little lower.
TCNW: Why is there such a difference?
CZ: The big difference is the teaching of stewardship. Protestants do a much better job of teaching stewardship.
TCNW: When you say stewardship, what do you mean?
CZ: For so many priests or other Catholics, its nothing more than another fundraising gimmick, but thats not what it means. Stewardship means changing peoples attitudes, changing their hearts, how they view possessions and money and material things. Stewardship asks people, What do you own and what owns you? Whats really important to you? Stewardship tries to get Catholics to develop a need to give instead of just giving to a need.
So many parishes say, We have a budget we have to meet, we have to fix this problem, we have to meet these particular needs. Thats short term. You have to teach people to see that long term, they need to use their resources for Gods mission on earth.
TCNW: My suspicion is that no matter how you say it, most people are going to hear it as another way for the church to dig its fingers deeper into their pockets.
CZ: Absolutely. It takes persistence. They tell us it takes 5 to 7 years to get the message across. The first response is that this is another fundraising gimmick.
TCNW: How can parishes maintain that when priests and pastors are moved every few years?
CZ: You develop a core of lay people who wont give up when a new pastor comes. It takes some real lay leadership. The pastor cant do it by himself, even if hes there for 20 years.
TCNW: Then why is one of your recommendations minimize your use of volunteers?
CZ: Let me explain that. I went to visit a good stewardship parish once, and when I sat down with the pastor, I didnt want to start by talking about money, so I started talking about time and talent. I asked how many volunteers he had. He said, We dont have any volunteers here. We have ministers.
Whats the difference? Whats the connotation of volunteer? If I do it, its OK; if I dont, its OK. We get people to view their role as a ministry and they take it more seriously, and they become more of a stakeholder, and they contribute more dollarwise. Money follows ministry. Through our baptism, we have both the right and responsibility to minister to Gods faithful. The more time and talent people contribute, the more treasure theyll contribute, also.
The flip side is that parishes have the responsibility to not only train them, but to hold them accountable. That sends the message that this is important. A lot of people start as volunteers, and what you have to do is convert them into ministers. Over time they see other folks taking their roles seriously and they take on that attitude.
TCNW: Do you know of any parishes/dioceses that have implemented your recommendations? What results have they seen?
CZ: Most of the parishes Ive found are already working well. Theyve helped me more than Ive helped them. What makes a good stewardship parish?
One is high giving of time, talent and treasure. But also, its just the attitude. They have a change of heart: any gifts they have are given by God and theyre asked to use those gifts to further Gods work on earth.
TCNW: Why do Protestant churches tend to be better at stewardship?
CZ: For Catholics its kind of a post-Vatican II idea. For Protestant churches, its been around for a long time, the idea that people have a role in the church. One difference is size. The typical Protestant congregation is about one-fifth the size of the typical Catholic parish. That makes it easier to get the message across, to develop community.
In Protestant churches too, people have input where the money goes. In most Catholic parishes, the pastor decides by himself, or maybe with the input of a few finance council members, although they are rubber stamps in many cases.
Most Catholics understand that the pastor has the final say under canon law, but there needs to be an input.
TCNW: If stewardship is a post-Vatican II idea for most Catholics, how did the council change giving patterns?
CZ: Pre-Vatican II, both Catholics and Protestants were at about 2 percent. Post-Vatican II, people would look at their parishes and say, Vatican II is telling us all this stuff about the way the church should be, but my parish isnt like that. It woke a lot of people up, and they got angry and reduced giving. Thats my interpretation.
Father Andrew Greeleys interpretation was that Catholics became angry with the hierarchy over sexual ethics issuesbirth control, divorce and remarriage, things like that. Whatever it was, something happened in the 1960s for Catholics that didnt happen for Protestants.
TCNW: Have you seen a movement towards stewardship among Catholics?
CZ: Almost every diocese has recognized the importance of stewardship. Some still see it as a fundraising tool, but more have realized that this is want the church is all about, this is what we should be doing even if we had more money than we could ever spend: teach people how to deal with possessions, whats important in their lives, that we all have a role of fulfilling Gods will on earth.